BarbaraDrabek & jdtat: Barb, i found jdtat closer to the reality I - and my support group - find/found. Kegels either don't "cure" it, or they help just part way and no farther. I'm sure it works for someone, just haven't met that someone. There are an astonishing number of physical therapists, here. Haven't found the type of specialist you mention, none of them have anyone to recommend. We have one, count them one, urologist, so i spent well over $1200 dollars flying to a big NW city. Didn't do me a lick of good, as i can't afford to stay in that city for that, nor was i encouraged to try. The urologist there said surgery "might" help/work. This forum doesn't make me optimistic. "Water Pills" in the morning seemed to have helped (Prescribed for something else) - i was warned not to take them in the evening. More discipline on eating and drinking seem to help. Weight loss seems to help. Not cures, but I'll accept "helps".