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I don’t really hear much about this issue on this site. I have a neurogenic bladder due to surgical procedures. I can’t feel my bladder. I can’t tell when my bladder is full. I normally leak constantly or go large amounts. My urologist says I need to Catherine myself about every two hours. I’m sorry but it is uncomfortable to Catherine myself. I told my urologist I would Catherine myself every morning and at night to ensure my bladder is not full. I will also Catherine myself if I haven’t peed in about 4-6 hours. That hasn’t been a problem because I’m constantly wet and have to change my diaper often. I use a diaper because I lost my right leg so pull-ups just don’t work. I use ABRI level 4 diapers at night and Tranqulity All-Through-The-Night diapers during the day. For me they work the best and I came up with these through much trial and error. Is there any others on this site with this condition? I’ve been incontinent for many, many years so I’m really not embarrassed for anyone to know I have to wear diapers. I’ve been in and out of hospitals with this condition and some are helpful and others not. I guess I’m just used to the stigma and don’t really care what people think. We all have our ghosts in the closet so I don’t know if mine is any better or worse than anyone else’s. I’m now starting to have a little bowel incontinence too. It’s very minor but is happening. I’d like to talk to other like me. I’m a 65 year old male. Thanks all for listening to me and look forward to hearing from you.
 
Hi, i can relate to what you write. I should catheterize too but i still leak in between and it makes no sense to me to do so. Wearing diapers is for mr the better solution too.
 
Hi Eden, using a catheter is a necessary part of urine retention, but every couple hours is crazy. We need to ensure our bladders are emptying and not getting backed up in our kidneys. I realize that. But when you are peeing all the time, it’s seems crazy. A long time ago I realized wearing a diaper 24/7 was the only logical solution. Like you said even when we Catheterize ourselves we still pee between times. Sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. Thanks for your insight.
 
Hi Chris,

for me it‘s nearly the same. I also have no real feeling for my bladder and have pretty much residual urin. For me it feels more or less similar to when you have an urge to defecate but there is no feeling from the bladder until it spasm.
If I feel this urge and make it to the toilet I have good chances to empty the bladder the normal way but often it starts cramping when I get up or walk and empty itself before I can reach the toilet. I have also problems to urinate spontaneously because without the urge it doesn’t work for me. Luckily the muscle still work somehow so that I don’t need to do ISC for now…
 
I have neurogenic detrusor over activity, can’t feel it until it’s ready to let go. I only had 200ml residual at the urologist. He didn’t seem too concerned. Diapers at night, leaky in the morning too so diapers then, if I am really active and around bathrooms pull-ups are fine. Long car trip, diapers. Amusement park, diapers. Touring Yosemite, diapers. Movie, diapers. Questionable bathroom access, diapers. Airport and airplane, diapers. Long cab line, long cab ride, diapers. Etc etc.
 
Yes, I understand the issue also. I was diagnosed with over active bladder in the past. Now with getting older at the age of 48, I too am getting Neurogenic bladder do to benign prostate hyperplasia. There's enough pressure there to the point where I have no idea when my bladder is full. Now I just leak all the time and have full on voids at times without knowing. My doctor want me to take flowmax. I asked him for the side affects for taking it. I told him no and I'll deal with the issue I have vs the side affects. I am also in the first steps of going through bariatric surgery in the future. He said if it gets to bad, he will have to prescribe the flowmax or think about having the prostate removed. I told the doc that we can wait to talk about it then.
I am sure most of you can relate to this. Back in my younger years of life, I always said age is just a number. Man! Was I wrong. Getting older is getting harder. I look back at all my young years. I wish I was a bit more careful, granted I did have fun. Now its catching up with me. I look at it like this, I was a bad @$$ back in the day. Now I can be a bad @$$ wearing diapers and moving on with my life and deal with the problems that was dealt to me. Think about this. We all have a number that was given to us from the guy upstairs. Live your life to the fullest cause you never know when your number will get pulled. Struggles in life just makes us stronger and the will to push through. We are all first place champions and wear our gold metals proudly.
 
@Chris318 i should indeed catheterize to empty the bladder fully to avoid infections. Yet i get infections anyway. I do not feel how full my bladder is but i do feel the urge a second before voiding but my bladder does not empty fully. Causing me being wet almost all the time. At night i usually do not feel urge and pee while i am sleeping. My bowel movement is quite the same. I feel the urge when needed although i have some more time, 1 or 2 minutes which usually gets me to the toilet on time, although i have to adapt my life to it.
I also have a lot of pain often in the whole area. I have not been diagnosed with neurogenic bladder but a neurological disorder which affects my whole body, But the way you describe it is very relatable.
 
I have Neurogenic bladder and you’re right; this forum isn’t really for us; it’s almost exclusively about prostatectomies.
 
Hey I myself have a neurogenic bladder causing me not to feel when my bladder is full or needs to be emptied. Mine was caused by head trauma i sustained while in the army back in 2011. My doctors want me to catheterize, but I got tired of getting constant UTI from doing do. Top that off working full time I often don't have the ability to go to the bathroom every two hours. It's easier to just wear the diapers and move on. They would also like to do a suprapubic catheter which I have steadfastly told them no on. Don't need or want any more holes in my body than I already have. Currently we do botox injections into the urinary sphincter every 9 months to a year. It is used to help keep the muscle open to ensure proper drainage. I'm 33, but been in diapers full time for about 11 years now. Have long since gotten over the stigma and worry surrounding them. It's just a fact of life and a product meant to help me live with a medical problem.
 
I get Botox injections quarterly (200 units) and they help immensely. @Draconic Why do you only get them every nine months? The standard dose is quarterly.
 
Hey Draconic, don’t let them put in a superpubic catheter. I had one for a while and I was in constant pain. It felt like I had to pee constantly. I finally got sick of it and made them remove it. Just another scar. Thanks for your confessions.
 
It's just what we have been doing. The general use for the botox injections is also to bulk up the sphincter to help with retention and control. We do the opposite. They use the botox to instead paralyze the muscle open so it allows for near constant leakage. I'm talking to the doctors about doing a urinary stint instead, but that's moving slowly since eim dealing with the VA.

I have no intentions of EVER letting them do a suprapubic @Chris318. I have read a bunch of negative things about them, and I would much rather just wear the diapers than deal with that.
 
Oh, I disagree! It's about incontinence. With us guys is happens that a prostatectomy is a major cause of incontinence. Of course, other causes abound.
 
Also have neurogenic bladder. Bladder works but have dyssynergia (sphincter contracts when bladder contracts) Make sure you dont have this - high bladder pressure hurts the kidneys. Cathing was very hard and eventually caused scarring - Eventually had a sphincterotomy and bladder neck incision, low pressure leaking now as a result and better than cathing. As long as you are emptying, leaking into a diaper and not cathing can be OK. just make sure! Good luck.
 
Thank you for you insight Totalinco. My urologist’s are very concerned bladder does not become totally full and backs up into my kidneys. I used to cath constantly but I hateed it so much t agreed to cath several times a day to make sure my bladder retention was backing up. Don’t get me wrong I still have to cath 2-3 times a day but it’s better than all the time. I’m still totally incontinent but it’s okay for now. In time, I may have to undergo additional procedures. My biggest worry now is my bowels. I can’t wipe enough and get strike in my diaper all the time. I’m really scared I might be losing bowel control. I see my urologist in about 10 days. Hope all goes well. Thanks again.
 
Interesting how differently nerve damage can affect us. My Neurogenic Bladder can’t tighten enough, so that’s why I leak and experience all the OAB symptoms. And the nerve that tells the brain to slow down production of urine and to retain it while lying horizontal in bed, is totally severed from my spine, so that’s why I have severe Nocturia. But I have no problem getting all the urine out of my bladder when I try. I’ve never had to self-cath nor have I had to have an indwelling cath. . . yet. I don’t get very many UTIs - maybe only one or two a year - given that I wear diapers and have these problems. Botox works for me by tightening my bladder muscles so they don’t leak.

But others with Neurogenic Bladder can’t feel nor release their bladder, whereas mine hurts. Other can’t quite empty their bladder, while I have no problem doing so. The bottom line is that nerve damage is complex, irreparable, and barely understood by the medical community as of this time.

There are so many problems like chronic pain caused by osteoarthritis and lower back injury that lead to permanent disability and conditions like Neurogenic Bladder caused by nerve damage, that there’s next to no research being done about because everybody is so obsessed with cancer research and living the longest life possible. What about quality of life? I’d rather be pain-free and only live to be 60 than to live to be 80 in my current excruciating, neverending pain. It’s time for for medicine to shift its research focus away from nothing but duration of life and to focus more on quality of life.

Initially I “just” had nerve damage and disc herniations, incurred in major snowboarding injuries in 2009 (the scorpion fall) and 2015 (the cliff fall). But now I have no remaining disc material in the cervical, lumbar, and upper sacral areas of my spine, so my spine now has a scoliosis curve of 17° to the left, and is rotten with Spinal Stenosis. Spinal Stenosis is an abnormal narrowing of the spinal canal and associated neurons that results in pressure on the spinal cord or nerve roots. It leads to pain, numbness, or weakness in the arms and legs as well as sexual dysfunction. This is expected to worsen as I age and to likely make my bladder problems worse and possibly also cause fecal incontinence. For the past 1.5 years my hands have been abnormally cramping up out of the middle of nowhere, like when driving or kayaking when I really needed my hands to do what I say, and I think it’s related to the damage in my cervical (neck) spine. That’s on my long list of things I need to have checked out by a doctor.

I’m emotionally as prepared as I can be in advance that if I live to be whatever age, my spine is going to make me need NorthShore MegaMax instead of my current Depend “Night Defense,” and 24/7. Right now, as long as I have Botox, I only need a Depend at night or on a very long drive in traffic, at a concert, or on a long flight.

Back surgery only worsens and increases bladder and bowel dysfunction, so it’s not something I’ll ever agree to. It never works for anyone longterm, anyway. Multiple back surgeries completely destroyed my aunt’s life and led to her early death, so I will not go down that same path unless there has been significant innovation in that field of surgery. I doubt that will happen because we have such an abnormal spine for mammal. We’re the only thing that walks upright and our spines are a HUGE mistake in evolution.
 
snow said:
I have Neurogenic bladder and you’re right; this forum isn’t really for us; it’s almost exclusively about prostatectomies.

I'm of the 'neuro bladder' minority, too. Still, I've found occasionally useful incontinence information from others here. Also, some valued support.

Fortunately, my prostate. though monitored, has remained a non-issue for years.
 
Hi Snow,

I think you have addressed several problems at the same time. I have a similar problem with my back and also several herniated discs on the neck and lumbar spine that press on the spinal canal. In my case, in addition to incontinence (unfortunately, my intestine is also affected), they temporarily cause numbness of the fingers and cramps in the legs so that I can sometimes hardly walk.

The comparison with research in the field of cancer medicine is probably true to the extent that it is a common point: In both cases, it is about an enormous amount of money. In our case, it is the neurosurgeons who collect an enormous amount of money for an often very manageable performance and in the case of cancer, it is the pharmaceutical companies that (and the clinics) collect at least as much for hardly effective drugs.

In the end, the patient is either dead or so broken that he is no longer worthwhile as a source of income. I was offered to rehabilitate the intervertebral discs - but in my case, unfortunately, this is not minimally inversion from the back, but only with several large surgeries from the front. I am 58 years old and actually want to get a little older and I talked to many other patients in rehab who had such an operation behind them. Without having counted that exactly, I would now say that at least 50% it has either gotten worse or a problem has disappeared but a new often annoying problem has been added.

Long story short - so far I have refused to have it operated on. What I do and what at least helps a little is functional training for the back and abdominal muscles. The neurological problems do not disappear from this, but it helps to keep the pain under control. Otherwise, I just have an MRI done annually by the affected regions to see if something gets significantly worse. If something should happen in this direction, I will probably have surgery so as not to end up in a wheelchair (if that can of course also happen with the operation...). Until then, I hope it doesn't get worse and live with the current problems for now.

All in all, the things can at least be controlled at least halfway at the moment. For the cramps, I have Limptar if it's bad - otherwise I drink a large glass of tonic water in the evening, which works relatively well (there is also quinine in it). I have the stool incontinence halfway under control with psyllium husks and pelvic floor training except for stool lubrication and I just have to live with urinary incontinence.

The interest of the doctors has actually decreased significantly after I voted out the surgery topic. However, I think this is rather a good sign because it means that they can't offer anything clever. In this case I think it’s better to get no treatment than anything that only causes me more problems afterwards.
 
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