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I had a prostatectomy on March 11, catheter removed the following week. I do kegel exercises twice daily. I have absolutely no control over my incontinence. I wear protective underwear, normally with an added pad. While standing and walking, I constantly dribble, no control whatsoever. After sitting for awhile, i am not able to make it to the toilet without voiding in the pad. I find it more comfortable and less messy to use plastic urinal at my chair, rather than try to make it to the bathroom. I am able to feel when I need to void, but gravity controls. I know it has been only 6 weeks, but this condition is very depressing. Any advice?
 
I had mine on Oct. 28th, first 4 weeks little to no control no matter what I did. After doing Kagles and walking 2 to 3 times a dayas soon as Cath was out I started to see some improvement about week 5, small improvement daily. But comparing week to week big improvement. Cutting caffeine & carbonated drinks helped cut back to 1 cup of coffee in Tue morning no soda. Week 6 I went back to work wearing a pad, I walked 5-6 miles a day at work. After anotger 2 weeks wemt to a small shield. After 10-12 weeks totally dry. It's frustrating, demoralizing, but you have to fight through it. I don't feel like I even did Kagles right until about week 5 or 6. You just had major surgery, you body needs some time to heal. Good luck, keep your head up.
 
Hang in there. Do your Kegals and watch your fluid intake mainly coffee. Walk a lot. I had my surgery 11/11/19 and I’m finally down to one pull-up a day. I was going thru 8 pads a day. I felt the same as you. It’s shocking on the amount of fluid your body gets rid of. Don’t let yourself get dehydrated. You will pee more.You will get there!
 
Thanks I need the encouragement. My wife has been extremely supportive, but I need to hear how others have dealt with this problem.
 
As Gkimp says, first 4-5 weeks, little to no control. I had surgery on January 2 and the catheter removed on January 14. I was wearing pull-ups daily after the catheter was removed and gradually changed to pads, using about 8 pads per day initially, but still using pull-ups at night. About a month after catheter was removed, I was able to cut pad use to a few during the day and one at night, but getting up every two hours or so. Around 6 weeks, I was using one pad each day and no pads at night, still getting up every two hours. Now, I'm starting to use the thin pads as the other ones are pretty much dry each day (a few dribbles, of course). I'm pleased with my progress, but in the beginning, was very disheartened with how progress was going. Hang in there. It DOES get better! Patience is your friend!
 
I had mine Jan 10. It’s gonna take some time so don’t get discouraged now. I had listened to Gkimp & a few others when I was where you are now.
Cut out caffeine and get out and walk a few miles a day. When I first started walking I was coming back wet. Take an extra pad and change it if you can. I saw a big difference between weeks 8&12 post op. I use 1 pad a day & 1 at night now and usually dry.
 
I had almost no control when I walked until week 8 when I had significant improvement. I starter pelvic floor therapy week 3 and I started walking twice a day for an hour each time. At 12 weeks basically dry except when I cough or sneeze. It take time and was.much more of an emotional journey than I expected but you will get there as well. Try to stay positive
 
I had mine Feb 5 and still having incontinence. I do well at night or sitting and do a large 250-400cc void, but anything after that comes as a dribble made worse by varied activity. I use a depends and switch out 2-3 pads per day and 1-3 showers. I am a bit better at work but carry a small indiscreet 8 oz plastic cup to frequently collect urine during day and thus less pressure on bladder. Kegels +/-. Doctor said they dont help but thst the bladder just needs to relearn neurologic pathways. I think kegels help when getting up to prevent leakage. I turkey hunted today, mushroom hunted a little and looked for arrowheads, but had to switch out pads a bit. Its not fun to do those things wet. I strongly encourage the plastic 8oz cup to preemptively empty bladder.
 
Thanks for all of the responses, advice and encouragement. Will definitely do more exercises, especially kegels, walking and pelvic floor exercises. Looks like I have to be patient, very hard to do.
 
Sounds like a good plan @foxridge! Patience is your friend, progress is slower than you would like, just keep on plugging away. Keep us update on your progress.
 
Your situation sounds too familiar - UGH! I had my prostate removed on December 2, 2019 and bladder control was horrible. Doing kegels, walking, following a bland diet seemed to help but I expect it's mostly time. After four months and three weeks I am mostly dry with some leaks when I exercise hard or lift something heavy. Give your body time to heal. Stay positive and look forward to your post-surgery PSA test. Hopefully you will have a "zero" level and well on your way to being "cancer-free".
 
All of the advice you have been given is valuable and spot on. A few additional comments from my experience. I am 70 years old, fit and active.
As recommended by Physio I started Kegels in preparation for the surgery (9th Jan) but was shocked at the complete lack of urinary control the day the catheter was removed!
Pull ups, with additional padding required for about 3 weeks. I was walking about 30 mins 2 x per day and Kegels 4 x day. I was pretty good lying down but constantly leaking when upright.
At the end of Jan, the Physio suggested I move to Tena no 2 (intermediate pads) and I was using 3 x per day,(only light leakage at night), but very limited daytime control with constant visits to the toilet to void. Weighing the pads to get quantified data was also suggested.
Slight reduction during Feb (still doing Kegels) but my frustration at inability to "hold" my urine was going through the roof!
Met the Physio end Feb and she checked (ultra sound) how well I was performing the Kegels. I needed to slightly modify (improve) my technique. By end Feb my "leakage" had reduced by 19%. (ave 233ml/day down to 189ml)
March started to show improvement due to management of fluid intake, exercise and close proximity of toilets, however the pad weights were reducing (ave down to 138mls/day on my best week!).
April has seen further improvement (last week got down to 107mls/day). I am also more in control of my bladder however still drip when hard walking or working in the garden etc. Using 2 x Tena 1 (light pads) per day.
Unfortunately the "recovery" takes time and persistence. I am normally a fast "healer" and thought I would be back to normal within 6 - 8 weeks. Exercise, Kegels and patience with the healing process seems to be the requirement. Measuring the leakage over time helps to show improvement is happening and helps the mental struggle.
Hope my experience gives you confidence.
All the best.
 
After reading everyone’s experiences, concerning incontinence issues, I do get sense of hope that there will be improvement in my future. It is such a slow process and hard to notice any significant changes. Get my post-surgery PSA test results next week and am anticipating a good report. Thanks for everyone sharing their experiences and encouragement
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I had my prostatectomy on 11/14/19 and initially experienced the same issues as you. Don’t give up, there is light at the end of the tunnel. It took a while for me to see any real marked improvement. I was going through 3 pads a day for many months then started to decrease to 2 now 1. I do the Kegel exercises once a day (30/day). I still wear a pad just to be safe since I still have a small amount of leakage. Best of luck to you.
 
@Foxridge Will you give an update for those of us who are following in your path? I am 5.5 weeks post Prostatectomy on Sept 24, 2020.

Any insight on what helped?

Thank you,
Terry
 
thudson1956, Thanks for reminding me to post an update on my progress. I received my surgical follow up in May. The pathology report came back (Gleason score of (4+3=7 with tertiary pattern 5) and my PSA was 1.7. Surgeon was concerned that PSA was not lower and the pattern 5(more aggressive cancer). I was referred to oncology radiologist and back to my primary urologist. Radiologist ordered a MRI and PET scan, both came back negative for spotting cancer. Radiologist scheduled me for 38 radiation treatments in the pelvic region, Urologist started me on hormone(Firmagon) shots. Started radiology treatments in August with completion on Sept. 25. Today I had a follow up with Urologist received 4th and last hormone shot, he also ordered a PSA test, waiting on results. Urologist is consulting with Radiologist to see if he recommends more hormone shots.

Incontinence update: During my surgical follow up in May, I discussed with him the lack of improvement for my incontinence. He said it was too soon after surgery to see much improvement. He recommended a Bart-Cunningham clamp which I wore for about 30 days, it really helped me to be able to get out of the house without worrying about filling my pull-ups and pads. At first, I thought it would be uncomfortable, but really did not notice I was wearing it. I would wear it about 4 hours a day. During this time I was religiously doing my Kegel exercises. About the end of June my incontinence had greatly improved, when sitting down or laying down, I could feel the urge to urinate and easily had time to make it to the bathroom. I still had dribbling when standing for a while, I never felt the urge to go but felt the dribble as it came. I was down to 1 pad per day and it was only about 10% full, I really felt so much better about the improvement in my incontinence. Radiation therapy caused some diarrhea and a worsening of my dribbling. But to be honest, I stopped doing my Kegel exercises during radiation, which according to my urologist was probably the primary cause for the increase in dribbling. So back to doing my Kegels. Incontinence was by far the worst thing I dealt with after the Prostatectomy, but in hindsight, if I had listened to the doctors and had patience, I think my incontinence would have improved quicker.

Uplifting observation and comment. With our country so divided; after 38 radiation treatments, primary care physician, and urologist appointments. I spent a lot of time in health care facilities, in all facilities, I observed how people were treated, regardless of your race, status in life, ego, or attitude everyone was treated with respect, patience, and encouragement, no one received special treatment. Not only by the medical professionals or office staff but by the other patients. Everyone was so supportive of each other. I see the exact thing in this forum, everyone supports and encourages each other, even though we will never meet in person and have differing views.
 
@Foxridge Thank you for the update. It helps me and well as the many who will be searching the forum.

I think my biggest frustration is the "for a while" statement being defined by my urologist for some men a couple of weeks, some take months.

I would like to know that I am not some freak with a spigot between my legs. The second day after the catheter removal (day 9 after Prostatectomy), I was angry. If I had read or been told - Some men may require 4 pads a day and some 16 pads which they should switch to pullups. Look to week over week improvement and given a more MEANINGFUL timeline, not just 6 weeks.

I was using 16 to 20 pads a day in week 2 and contacted my urologist who said use pullups and to look at week to week improvement, not day to day. So at the end of week 2, I was using 12 pullups a day (24 hours). End of week 3, 9 pullups a day. End of week 4, 5 pullups a day. Week 5 and 6 have been messed up in the counting because I purchased some store brand products that are not half as good as Depends.
 
Here's my update: I am 11 months post radical "nerve sparing" prostatectomy. I am dry at night and leak when I exercise and dribble a bit during the day. I use one to two medium pads every day. I do kegels three times a day and combine this with self stimulation. I can get a reasonable erection - not like before but hard enough for penetration sex. I continue to celebrate small steps forward, like every erection. I take cialis (2 mg/day) and 8 mg prior to sex. I have a near zero cancer markers in my blood tests. My recommendation is to think long term (1-2 years for initial recovery), exercise daily if possible (including vacuum erection device and self stimulation) and stay positive. You will get better!
 
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