@snow @LeeC , I had the instills a few months ago, and they have helped me, and she told me that whenever I want them again, she will order, "or" she said the urology surgeon is injecting the medication into the bladder walls like botox. I have not done that yet.
She is out on maternity leave and will probably wait on the surgery option for now. We have agreed too concentrate on the pain factor from now on. No point fighting to many battles anymore.