Any correlation between stuck catheters and incontinence?

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My surgeon said some guys have complete control of their bladders as soon as their catheters are removed. I was hoping to be one of those guys. I did not have prostate cancer but just wanted my prostate removed vs all of the other options for frequent urination and inability to urinate at all.

7 days after my prostate removal I came in to get my catheter removed. It wouldn't budge. So the nurse wrapped the tubing around her fingers to get a better grip and just pulled and pulled harder and harder until the catheter finally popped out. The tubing stretched like a rubber band with blood and fluid coming out along with the catheter. She said that was not uncommon.

I was able to pee right past my catheter before it was removed. I discovered that by accident two days prior when I woke up with urgency. So I just relaxed and peed, thinking the pee would go into my drain bag. As soon as I noticed I was wetting my underpants I held back, straightened out my tubing so the urine would drain into my drain bag. Then I changed my underpants with clean dry underpants.

All you guys with incontinence, did your catheters come out OK or did the nurse have to pull and pull to finally get it out?
 
@hermanjamers mine came out very smoothly. I don’t think that the tubing should be filling with blood. Did she deflate the balloon properly?
 
I have had two removed and no problem with either. The 2nd one, I removed myself after the dr told me to just cut the tube and let the water drain out remove it myself the next morning. I have not heard or read of one being difficult to remove.
 
@hermanjamers sounds like a horrible experience. I have had several foley catheters removed without any problem. I agree with others who suggest thst the baloon might not have been deflated properly.
 
That sounds like a NIGHTMARE! My continence nurse specifically warned me to NEVER pull hard on a catheter, as it could cause permanent damage to the sphincter. Occasionally the balloon would not deflate completely I was warned in advance to simply cut the end off the catheter and let the water drain before attempting again. Never a situation like yours in over 25 years.
I’m really sorry to hear you went through that….
 
@hermanjamers

Over 20 years ago I had kidney stone surgery. After 3 days in the hospital, they removed the foley from my bladder and the drain tubes from my back and sent me home.

That evening my bladder was clogged with blood clots, so I couldn't urinate. I went back to the hospital ER by ambulance.

In the ER I was screaming in agony! They had some rookies that didn't know how to insert the foley. They had inflated the balloon in the sphincter instead of the bladder. That was horribly painful!

I was blacking out and screaming for 3 more days and nights in the hospital. For some reason nobody considered that the foley was in the wrong place. It was me who discovered that the pain would subside if I pushed the tube in farther. They finally removed the foley and released me.

That is when I started having urgency and frequency and dripping problems. So, I think that they didn't deflate your balloon properly.
 
@hermanjamers it may be worthwhile confirming with another medical professional(s) that what you experienced is not normal and making a complaint/ potentially commencing legal action to recover your expenses, loss of earnings, etc. To me, it sounds like a nurse trying to cover up their mistakes.
 
I'm cringing as I read these posts. I pulled my catheter out (apparently several times) while in a coma, and when I was out of the hospital some weeks later, (they had explained that I had done this when I complained about not having control.) I wondered why that would make me incontinent. I mean, what goes in has to come out again, so it shouldn't have made any difference, to my way of thinking. Finally, a doctor explained that they inflate a balloon once the catheter is inserted... So anyway, it has gotten progressively worse- to the point that I can't go without protection- ever. So, while my Foley wasn't stuck, it did, certainly cause my problems. I will never, ever allow myself to be catheterized again.
 
Jeffswet,
You just reminded me of what is now kind of humorous in hindsight. After my last C-Spine surgery, once in recovery I apparently convinced the nurse that I had no idea why somebody had diapered me, I had absolutely no need for these “Things” Someone had made a huge mistake!
A bit later they allowed my wife to come in to see me and I was lying in a huge puddle of pee. She immediately asked a nurse why I was left unprotected. The poor nurse explained I seemed quite coherent in my explanation, so she removed my Megamax! My wife had my overnight bag so she and the nurse got me sealed back up. I took a good bit of ribbing from the Surgeon & nurses the rest of my stay, and thanks to Northshore there were no more leaks.
To this day I have no memory of this, but my wife a nurses had a good laugh at my expense when I finally woke up! No damage other than to my ego!
BTW, has anyone else ever been hooked up to an IV for a few days? I think I went through a case of Megamax in 3 days….
 
jeffswet said:
I'm cringing as I read these posts. I pulled my catheter out (apparently several times) while in a coma, and when I was out of the hospital some weeks later, (they had explained that I had done this when I complained about not having control.) I wondered why that would make me incontinent. I mean, what goes in has to come out again, so it shouldn't have made any difference, to my way of thinking. Finally, a doctor explained that they inflate a balloon once the catheter is inserted... So anyway, it has gotten progressively worse- to the point that I can't go without protection- ever. So, while my Foley wasn't stuck, it did, certainly cause my problems. I will never, ever allow myself to be catheterized again.
 
Anything is better than not being able to pee at all. That will kill you because your kidneys will become damaged. Kidney failure = death. Here's what I posted on Facebook after my 3-month follow-up visit on 7-14-2022.

Update 7-14-2022 Just got back from my 3-month check-up. I'm still leaking a little and changing a diaper once a day. I do that in the morning. If it is a workout day then I just work out in the soiled diaper and wait until after my shower to install a fresh one. Otherwise, I give my genital area a soap and water job and put on a clean Depends thin diaper. Dr. Abaza still thinks I will eventually gain full control of my bladder. I will continue to do the Kegel exercises.

I mentioned my letter and asked about using an irrigation syringe to insert a mixture into my bladder through the catheter. That would be a mixture of one part 3% hydrogen peroxide solution to five parts of 0.9% saline solution. I could cut off the catheter and leave about 6 inches sticking out past the end of my penis and use a binder clip to block it from draining. Keep that fluid in for about 15 minutes and then pee it out right around my catheter to loosen things up enough to eventually just slide out the catheter without having to pull it out. I would want at least a week just trying that before resorting to them just pulling it out.
I mentioned that the nurse had put in 100 milliliters of fluid and wanted to get about 120 ml in. She told me to relax and I did exactly that, just like I relax to pee. Dr. Abaza said I just had a bladder spasm. NO, it was not a spasm. It was just me relaxing and peeing right around my catheter as I had done the Sunday night before. Anyway, it just sounds like they will just continue to pull out stuck catheters. I'm guessing there is a high correlation between catheters that just slide right out with no difficulty and guys who immediately have complete control of their bladders.

Knowing what I know now, my suggestion is to ask them NOT to pull out your catheter if it is stuck and to give you a week to try to loosen things up on your own. I understand that they just want the catheter removed immediately and don't want to piddle around trying to ease it out. So perhaps the day before your 7-day after surgery visit to get the catheter removed, you ask someone to just deflate the little balloon at the end of the catheter. I just googled it and all you have to do is cut the tube used to inflate the balloon. They use sterile water. It is the small tube stub that Y-connects to the main tube. The water inside the balloon will drain out on its own right out where you cut the tube.

So, with the balloon deflated, you can see if the catheter will just slide easily right out. If it is stuck, then you can do as I've suggested and see if you can get it to eventually easily come out. You can call the doctor and explain that you want at least a week more before you come it to have them just pull it out. I think that is pretty reasonable.

My situation was unique to me. I was able to pee right around my catheter. My urethra got stretched out because I already had a catheter inserted when I went to the emergency room when I could not pee back on 2-3-2021. Then I got a cystoscopy in November of 2021. That stretched out my urethra again. Anyway, you can use a binder clip on the tube to block your bladder from draining. When you get the urge to pee then just go ahead and pee to see if you can pee right past your catheter both before you deflate the balloon and after you deflate the balloon. Being able to pee right around your catheter, in my opinion, enhances your chances of loosening things up.

But even if you cannot pee past your catheter, once the balloon is deflated, that enhances your chances of loosening things up too. So, I'd proceed with trying the solution for a week before finally going in to just have them pull the catheter out. You got nothing to lose. When you have to pee and can't pee past the catheter, then just remove the binder clip and let your urine drain out just as if you were peeing as usual. So that is my best advice, having been through this ordeal. Hopefully, I will gain complete control of my bladder again. I'll post when that happens or in one year either way. Just read another source that says it may take 12 - 18 months to gain full control of my bladder. Perhaps all of this delay could've been avoided by just easing out my catheter instead of pulling, pulling, harder, harder, harder until it finally came out.
 
I would not dream of suing this doctor. He could've just not done the surgery in the first place. He has patients lining up. He does three surgeries in one day and has done over 6000 of these prostate removal surgeries. It is an outpatient procedure and you go home the same day. I was disappointed that they just pulled harder, harder, harder until my catheter came out but am pretty confident at this point that I will heal and have complete control of my bladder. I did send this update to the doctor.

Update 7-14-2022 Just got back from my 3-month check-up. I'm still leaking a little and changing a diaper once a day. I do that in the morning. If it is a workout day, then I just work out in the soiled diaper and wait until after my shower to install a fresh one. Otherwise, I give my genital area a soap and water job and put on a clean Depends thin diaper. Dr. Abaza still thinks I will eventually gain full control of my bladder. I will continue to do the Kegel exercises.

I mentioned my letter and asked about using an irrigation syringe to insert a mixture into my bladder through the catheter. That would be a mixture of one part 3% hydrogen peroxide solution to five parts of 0.9% saline solution. I could cut off the catheter and leave about 6 inches sticking out past the end of my penis and use a binder clip to block it from draining. Keep that fluid in for about 15 minutes and then pee it out right around my catheter to loosen things up enough to eventually just slide out the catheter without having to pull it out. I would want at least a week just trying that before resorting to them just pulling it out.

I mentioned that the nurse had put in 100 milliliters of fluid and wanted to get about 120 ml in. She told me to relax and I did exactly that, just like I relax to pee. Dr. Abaza said I just had a bladder spasm. NO, it was not a spasm. It was just me relaxing and peeing right around my catheter as I had done the Sunday night before. Anyway, it just sounds like they will just continue to pull out stuck catheters. I'm guessing there is a high correlation between catheters that just slide right out with no difficulty and guys who immediately have complete control of their bladders.

Knowing what I know now, my suggestion is to ask them NOT to pull out your catheter if it is stuck and to give you a week to try to loosen things up on your own. I understand that they just want the catheter removed immediately and don't want to piddle around trying to ease it out. So perhaps the day before your 7-day after surgery visit to get the catheter removed, you ask someone to just deflate the little balloon at the end of the catheter. I just googled it and all you have to do is cut the tube used to inflate the balloon. They use sterile water. It is the small tube stub that Y-connects to the main tube. The water inside the balloon will drain out on its own right out where you cut the tube.

So, with the balloon deflated, you can see if the catheter will just slide easily right out. If it is stuck, then you can do as I've suggested and see if you can get it to eventually easily come out. You can call the doctor and explain that you want at least a week more before you come it to have them just pull it out. I think that is pretty reasonable.

My situation was unique to me. I was able to pee right around my catheter. My urethra got stretched out because I already had a catheter inserted when I went to the emergency room when I could not pee back on 2-3-2021. Then I got a cystoscopy in November of 2021. That stretched out my urethra again. Anyway, you can use a binder clip on the tube to block your bladder from draining. When you get the urge to pee then just go ahead and pee to see if you can pee right past your catheter both before you deflate the balloon and after you deflate the balloon. Being able to pee right around your catheter, in my opinion, enhances your chances of loosening things up.

But even if you cannot pee past your catheter, once the balloon is deflated, that enhances your chances of loosening things up too. So, I'd proceed with trying the solution for a week before finally going in to just have them pull the catheter out. You got nothing to lose. When you have to pee and can't pee past the catheter, then just remove the binder clip and let your urine drain out just as if you were peeing as usual. So that is my best advice, having been through this ordeal. Hopefully, I will gain complete control of my bladder again. I'll post when that happens or in one year either way. Just read another source that says it may take 12 - 18 months to gain full control of my bladder. Perhaps all of this delay could've been avoided by just easing out my catheter instead of pulling, pulling, harder, harder, harder until it finally came out.
 
I'm not sure you really want to put hydrogen peroxide in your bladder. It may be helpful for loosening blood clots (there are a small number of studies that discuss this - Ming Xu, Lu Jin, Boxin Xue et al. 2020; Mahdi Bagheri, Mamak Tahmasebi, Sheyda Najafi, Zahra Jahangard Rafsanjani1 2015; and Warlick et al 2006). I'm guessing that your 5:1 ratio came from the 2020 study. However, those studies dealt specifically with the problem of outflow obstruction and catheter blockage due to large blood clots within the bladder, which is a very different issue than the catheter getting stuck within the urethra or the balloon falling to deflate fully.

Please do not use a binder clip to block the catheter outflow. These clips are often sharp and may cause skin damage, and the excessive pressure on the catheter material may damage that and lead to breakage and retraction of the catheter inside the body. There are valves intended specifically for catheters; the brand I have on hand from the last time I had a Foley is Ugo, and another brand is Flip-Flo produced by Bard. These fit into the funnel end of the catheter and allow sterility to be maintained (to the extent that it's possible with a Foley), as well as being safer and easier to use than a binder clip.

Finally, the best way to delete a Foley is not to cut the tube, but rather to attach a 10ml Luer lock syringe (available at most pharmacies) to the inflation port and allow the sterile water to push out of the balloon and into the syringe. The reason this is better is that it allows you to monitor the volume of water removed to help ensure full deflation of the balloon, and it allows you to put gentle suction onto the balloon to help it deflate. It's possible for the balloon to fail to deflate even if the tube is cut, and by monitoring the amount of fluid returned you can help to identify this. The normal approach to a non-deflating balloon is to overinflate it with sterile water until it bursts, but it may be necessary to do a cystoscopy afterwards if any loose pieces of the torn balloon remain in the bladder. It's always a judgemental call as to whether the balloon has fully deflated, since they can leak water and you end up not getting out as much as you expect even when the balloon is fully deflated, but having the tube get stuck creates a high index of suspicion that the balloon is still fully or partially inflated.

I would suggest rotating a Foley catheter to ensure that it's not sticking to the urethral lining, though with the Silastic coating or silicone catheters now almost invariably being used this should not be a big concern. I'm not quite sure how the tissue of the urethra would get attached to the catheter.

In any event, the nurse's approach of just pulling harder and harder is not the correct way to do it. The catheter should not be stuck like that, so if it's not coming out its important to figure out what's wrong rather than just forcing it.
 
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